[NOTE: My E-mail address has changed from dmw@gate.net to dmw AT fusecon DOT com]
February 3, 1996
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COMMENTS on the FREEDOM CD
But first, a word from our sponsor...
Freedom's release date was October 13th although some were shipped before
that date so it was possible for someone to actually have a CD in their
hands by the 13th...Friday the 13th! The CDs sold quickly and by December
1st 1995 I was only taking reservations as very few CDs remained. I did
not advertise very heavly (only on the internet via newsletters, a demo,
and such). I mailed out slightly over 400 packages (roughly 700 of the
800 CDs produced) during the past three-four months. I am happy to
announce the project was a success and all the CDs have been sold. I do
have some spare art (CD insert/backliner) so if you are interested
in obtaining the inserts send me your address and how many inserts you want.
Below are a BUNCH of comments I collected regarding the FREEDOM CD. Most
are positive, some offer suggestion, and few are negative. I tried to remember
to save as many CD comments as possible but I'm sure there many I left out on
accident. Some messages with unrelated topics were edited.
Enjoy,
dmw@gate.net
Lets get the SHOW on the road....
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse Rothenberg
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: tp94 cd
Speaking of which, I just got the CD in the mail today ... I read your
post on c.s.i.p.d on saturday ... and when I got the CD, I was amazed ...
Incredible job ... Congratulations! :)
Jesse
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:28:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Xten
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Thnx! 4 cds
Got the stuff today; You really packed that envelope!
4 CDS! More than I was expecting :>.
The music...much better than Escape (in almost every aspect). The
stickers: Like you said, the flag and the intel fake came out the best.
The CDROM.. I don't have a cdrom drive..so I dunno yet.
Anyways, thanks a bunch for the Cds and the extra stuff...
Any gfx help you might need in the future, I'm willing to help!
Once again... you managed to produce a quality Demoscene CD, for close
to nothing.
.. you gotta be proud of that.
I'll let you get back to stuffing envelopes and processing requests :>
xt
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:48:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bass Productions.Eden.Epinicion Music"
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: FREEDOM CD
damn man... just got my Freedom CD (thanks for the quick send
btw).. i hafta congratulate you on a quite amazing production.. i wasn't
too sure what to expect after ESCAPE (since i got the 5$ orange version
:)) but i must say everything has improved 2374562734567 %.. the musical
recording isnt PERFECT but its excellent and the QUALITY.. sheez us, i
didnt dl all the winners cept jase and necros and a few others and im
surprised as hell.. these are pro quality songs... art is great and
everything is pretty much TOP SHAPE.. i wouldnt be able to tell this from
any of my other cd's :) anyway, thanks a great deal.. you're a tremendous
contribution to the scene and its lucky to have you... congrats again on
a great production....
sirrus
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Primal
X-Sender: hbcsc386@louie.csun.edu
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: freedom
On Mon, 16 Oct 1995 dmw@gate.net wrote:
Hey, just got those CDs today, thank. It's look great.
>
> Everything about the CD looks great...and professional. Sure, there are
> some minor defects, glitches, and the usual but hell, not bad for $6k right?
yeah, it's worth every cent I guess :)
>
> You should get the package in a few days, let me know what YOU think, feel.
> I can take the good with the bad :)
>
okay, well, here is some of my humble opinion, some arts look a bit too
dark, exspecialy the front cover one, but still look nice anyway. about the
audio CD, I think you used(or recorded) too much air or reverb (or whatever
you call
it) in some songs, exspecially in the song "fate." The last one,
"Night of Dream," sound very real, like it's be composed using a synthesizer
rather than a tracker. those vocal recording sound a bit weird through,
I guess probably of the equipment. ohh, and those collage arts are a bit
too small.
I guess that about it, not much to say about the data one.
-p
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:38:20 -0500
To: dmw@inca.gate.net
From: dutchman@epix.net (Dutchman)
Subject: freedom CD
>Received the Freedom CDs today. Very nice work, kudos to all involved in
the project. Thanx.
-Dutch
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:05:45 -0700
To: dmw@gate.net
From: Timothy Sewell
Subject: BRAVO... For Freedom
My "Freedom" CD's arrived yesterday and I really must congratulate you on
an excellent job. The Artwork is wonderful and the sound quality of the
music is fantastic.
You seem to view "Escape" as a learning process and it is obvious that
lessons were learned and improved upon.
It is also such a convience to have all these demos at one's fingertips
instead of on disc or tape.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Tim Sewell
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen C Demuth
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Freedom CD
Hi, Dan. Just wanted to thank you for sending out the CDs I ordered. I
got the yesterday (friday). They are great!! Congratulations on a job
well done.
-Steve
-=-=-=-=-
Stephen C. Demuth
r3scd@dax.cc.uakron.edu
From: Brett Paterson
Subject: Re: MC3 and MUSIC on FREEDOM CD
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:59:07 +1000 (EST)
Hi, sorry this mail didnt arrive in your mailbox but I stuffed up big time
with the mailer when i sent it about a week ago.
>
> > I really liked your tune. It does sound so "australianish." Like something
> > outta an australian movie or something out of a "Gods must be crazy" movie.
> >
> > It came out well on the CD...BUT, a few seconds were removed from the end--
> > by accident I venture. However, the ending that was cut (in my opinion)
> > weakened the song so...maybe for the best huh?
> >
> > Guess you will see what I mean in a few weeks... Your song is credited
> > at 3:04 on the CD. So, play it through your GUS and you can figure where
> > it was cut...as I know the actual time of your song is around 3:30...
> >
> > hold the flames,
> >
> > dan
> >
> >
>
> heh a bit mellow for gods must be crazy dont you thyink :)
> hmm ending cut.. eek
> Well ill see what it sounds like anyway.
> later
> FL (didgeridoomeister)
>
Since then I have received the CD and I must say how amazed I was at the
proffesional presentation of it.
It was laid out beautifully and im not worried at all about the end being
cut off my song.. although i dont know why you did it.
Again.. thanksand congratulations on a great product indeed
FireLight
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sean Warren
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: well worth the wait
I just wanted to say that the CD is great! It is definately worth it,
and I think it surpassed all of the hype. I originally ordered it for
the CODE CD, but I think I like the music CD equally as well. The CD was
well worth the wait. Good job to you and all the guys who helped with
the FREEDOM CD.
Sean Warren
(now I won't have to download so much off of FTP.CDROM.COM ;)
To: dmw@gate.net
From: stridell@arosnet.se (Erik Stridell)
Subject: Re: new account?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:56:13 +0100
>Hey Erik....get the CDs yet?
>dan
Got them!!!
I haven't been able to try out the cd-rom yet but the audio cd was awesome!
well..those tracks in the end with the teenage girls wailing wasn't all that
faboulous but still charming! ;-)
Next time maybe I could help out with the mastering / effect-laying. I've
got free access to a studio with cd-r and studio-dat's until the end of May'96.
Keep well,
erik
--------------------------
Erik Stridell stridell@mail.arosnet.se
Zodiak ... Cascada ... Complex Voice: (+46) (0)220-33420
From: lkohli@ids2.idsonline.com
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:22:16
Reply-To: lkohli@ids2.idsonline.com
Subject: Hello again....
To: dmw@gate.net
I just want to congratulate you on the Freedom CDs. They are INCREDIBLE! I
love the Audio CD. Keep up the good work. Hopefully we'll see another similar
production next year. :)
Talk to you later.
Luv Kohli / Empyrean
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:41:44 -0400
From: riley@mighty.riv.edu (... grinner ...)
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: the freedom cd rules :>
Hiya Dan,
I felt that I needed to write to you to congratulate you on Freedom.
I really wasn't expecting it to look so nice and professional. (I think
I was expecting more like Maelcum's FTZ CD with black & white insert on
regular paper).. But wow! I got it last week sometime, gave the other one
to my friend, "that Joe guy".. The d/a CD is recorded with very high quality,
the cdrom well organized (I can free up lots of megs on my hard drive now,
and make around 25 disks blank :)), and the art on the inserts is awesome..
You really had some talented guys doing art.. :) (my sticker looks ok :>)
It's too bad that you won't be making these CDs in the future (like for MC4)
but I can see if it's a lot of trouble dealing with The Party and Assembly
organizers... It'd really be awesome if you continued making them. I wish
now that I was more involved in the demo scene when MC3 and Escape happened..
Oh well.. Anyways, great job!
-chris graves / grinner
riley@mighty.riv.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:22:22 +0800 (WST)
From: Jase Chong
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: MC3 and MUSIC on FREEDOM CD
Dan !!
Hey I got Freedom in the mail yesterday :) :) Very Happy !! hahah.. thanx
a ton Dan, the recording seems to have gone very well.
I'll take this moment too to congratulate you, Snowman and the rest of
the MC3 team for the professional organisation and production of the CD.
It really has brought the PC Demo scene and the music (mod) scene to new
levels.
This is obvious in the quality of music on the CD. Many of the tunes are
radio quality and don't sound like they were done in mod format at all!
Hehe.. I played it for my mum and she was surprised at what the computer
can do :) she liked Necros tune (I'm still surprised it didn't win) but
of course started squabbling on about how much time I must have wasted
composing mine *grin* even though she did like the slow section :)
The gfx art is much better on this CD and one CD of the cdrom archive !
wow.. pity you couldn't include most of the asm95 and tp94 stuff.
Anyway, looking forward to the next MC (if there's one in the works!),
another congrats on a great effort and for all the time you guys must
have put into it. I'm sure you're pleased with the results!
Till next time,
Jase [Oxygen]
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:10:17 -0400
From: ThInK
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Freedom CD recieved
Thanks! I got my Freedom CD(s) today. VERY COOL! THANKS A BUNCH! (it looks
*really* professional!)
-dave
From: mmenz@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:05:25 -0100
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Freedom CD - I have it! :)
Hello Dan.
Today I have received my copy of the Freedom CD and I must say, it's very
good! I'm listening the audio CD at this time and the quality is optimal :)
Many thanks to you for the quick sending of FREEDOM
Greetings, Michael
From: jhw@connection.de (Jan-Hendrik Willms)
Date: 26 Oct 95 13:21:00 +0100
Subject: Freedom
Organization: CONNECTiON GmbH (BBS)
To: dmw@gate.net
hello Dan,
I just want to thank for this very fast delivery... I was really surprised to
receive it already...
Thanx a very lot for this great package...
C ya,
=jan-hendrik.willms=
... Head like a hole ...
---[ End of Mail ]---
From: Trevor Stevenson
Subject: Freedom
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 03:30:42 -0400 (EDT)
I must say, Freedom CD is really amazing... It looks so professional
that it's just beyond what I ever expected.... Congrats on the whole
thing, and I'm sure you and everyone else did a LOT of work to put that
sucker together! Wow... it's just great!
Anyways, if you plan on another CD for the future, just let me know and
I'll help out if you need it.... maybe even with the next version of it,
you could make lots of extra copies, and send it to specific people to
have it distributed at Bootleg music stores... there's a really great
place here that takes demo-tapes and CDs, and I'm sure there's plenty more
around North America.... Man, PC Music could get major recognition from
that kind of thing.
Oh, and if the CDs are going rather quick, I have an order for
about..... 5 CDs just in the city... And when I collect their money, I'll
send itto you asap..... So reserve 5 now just in case they run out. :)
Lates.
--
Future Assassin
ar482@freenet.carleton.ca
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 08:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve McCuen
To: Dan Wright
Subject: Freedom
Wow. You guys did a great job on this one. I had thought that
Escape was good, but Freedom is excellent. Thanks again, I received all
8 of them yesterday and they are great.
Enjoying freedom,
Steve
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: steven a twors jr
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: your mail
> Sent out your CD today....A stack of about 60 letters+ (about 30-40 now)
And I got it and I loved it! Except for the last two tracks where
it sounds like some girl is singin in the shower ... weird.
> before Joe Blow on the Usenet could get me a letter because Joe Blow
> was notified 2+ weeks later).
Hey I happen to like Joe Blow so watch it. Both CDs kick ass, you
did a great job on that layout in the booklet too. Thanks for providing
such a cool CD, I know I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm sure alot of
others out there have as well. Thanks and I wish you the best of luck
with what ever your next project may be.
Steve Twors (Mken)
From: Trevor Stevenson
Subject: Re: Freedom
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT)
> Anyways, if you plan on another CD for the future, just let me know and
>
>most likly not...or at least not for awhile... It was nice and I think/believe
>others will take up the slack. You can only be original so many times :)
True. :)
>I expect (and hope) the letters slow down soon...I have too many now and
>more stuff to mail than I can carry to the post office...
hahah... You need a helper elf to do all the dirty work. :) Maybe if
you find a really easy-going neighbour, you can scam him/her into doing
all the postal work. :)
>Hope your tune turned out fine on the CD...
Yeah, it turned out great.... You used an echoish effect, I think,
right? Because now it has this Big Hall sound to it, which REALLY helps
the song along.... And people are actually grabbing me on IRC and
commending me on how nice the song was.... Wow. Thank god I made it on the
CD... Or else I'd still be the a name that no one remembers, or recognizes. :)
Hope The workload dies down for you soon....
--
Future Assassin
ar482@freenet.carleton.ca
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:13:40 -0500 (EST)
From: VISIGOTH
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: c.d.
that c.d. layout is great! I'm listening to it now, the rendering image
really looked awesome! It makes me wanna sit down and get creative and do
something like it. I'd like to know more about how it was made. I'll get
back to you on the music after I have a chance to listen to all of it,
but it sounds really good thus far. You should make a living laying out
c.d.'s like that!
Steve Stiles
Arcane Online Design, 804-320-0805
http://www.cris.com/~visigoth
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:47:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Quantum Porcupine
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Finally received
Wow, I finally got the Freedom CD... including your little hand-written
post-it. :) Thanks for rushing mine, although that wasn't necessary, I
would have endorsed it all over IRC anyway (at least, I'm trying to if it
weren't for all the damn netsplits... :)
Oh, and jmagic's email address is... argh, I'd have it now if it weren't
for the damn split... never mind. :) If you still need it I'll try to
get it for you...
In any case, great job on the CD! :) I've only heard the first two audio
tracks so far, but they've been good... :) don't know why I haven't
downloaded them yet, but now it's a moot point anyway. :)
From: "Palo \"Skywalker\" Luka"
Subject: one more question
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:05:59 +0100 (MET)
Hello Dan!
Okay, I'm happy that there are still some Freedom pieces left :) There is
one more thing I wanted to ask you... I downloaded the dirlist from Freedom
and found out, that there aren't that many demos, basically, Freedom looks
like a second volume of Escape, I mean, there are things gathered on the
site since Escape was pressed. Unfortunately, I didn't order Escape, since I
didn't have the CDROM drive at that time yet and I wasn't wise enough to buy
it anyway :-) Aren't you thinking about a reprint of Escape, probably in a
smaller circulation (although that would increase the price)? I think some
other people could be interested in this too, at least it seems to be worth
considering :) Or... is the Escape CD _absolutely_ sold out? I'd be quite
interested in buying a copy.
I was thinking of burning all the demos on a CD, just for my personal use,
maybe for my friends too, to get rid of all the floppies :) And, I like the
idea of demos being sorted in several cathegories, like groups, parties,
alphabetically, etc. On the demosite it's quite easy, since UNIX has links.
I was thinking about making a program, that would make links on DOS, so that
one file could appear in more directories and I want to use it on my CD. I
think I'll do it as soon as I'll have some time. Probably you could be
interested in this, for Freedom 2 (or whatever the name will be... the
logical sequence suggests "Liberty" or "Independence" :) I'll mail you when
it's finished.
Skywalker / Sunrise
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:57:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeff Molofee
To: Dan Wright
Subject: Freedom CD
Hi Dan,
I'm sure you are getting alot of messages right now, but I wanted to
drop you a line anyways! I just received my 4 Freedom CD's in the mail,
along with my useless cheque {grin}, and WOW!!! I'm completely blown away!
The quality of the CD is just incredible. I really had no idea what to
expect. I figured it would be an average plain jane CD with something
stamped on it, a thin cover, and that's about it. :)
The art is incredible, the layout is great, the data will keep me busy
for awhile, the songs sound GREAT, even in my truck ;) and my favorite
part ... You mentioned my name in the cover :) {BIG grin}... thanx, I
really appreciate it. All for just $11...
I was wondering if you had any CD's left. It seems I have a few
friends that would like to order as well.
Thanks again,
Jeff Molofee (NeHe)
From: jeff@ego.psych.mcgill.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:57:45 -0500
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject:
As I held it, in a trembling, expectant hand, I wondered. I gazed
for a long time at the cover before daring to break the seal and unleash it.
IT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Dan, this is AMAZING!
It's the best CDROM I've seen since ... since I own a CDRom.
CONGRATULATIOS.
A million times.
You should do this more often.
GREAT WORK.
Congratz to the whole Freedom team.
Heartily yours,
jeff.
- W h i t e N o i s e (Jean-Francois "Jeff" Poirier)
- -- ---- -- ---- ------ jeff@ego.psych.mcgill.ca ----- --- --
"While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, another is
busy making mistakes and becoming superior." -Henry C. Link-
Subject: praise
To: dmw@inca.gate.net (Dan Wright)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:32:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Trixter / Hornet"
Rex Deathstar and I were talking, and I though you'd want to see this.
> >> >> Dan really did a great job this time!
> >> >
> >> >Yes, he really did.
> >> I think you must've chipped in quite alot too eh?
> >
> >Actually, no--it's all his project. We helped with suggestions
> >and some file organizing, but it was mostly his.
> >
> Sometimes I wonder why he did it at all. Such a noble effort...
So, people all over the world are calling Freedom a noble effort. :)
--
Jim Leonard (Trixter / Hornet) Email: trixter@mcs.com
Check out *THE* PC Demo WWW page: http://www.mcs.net/~trixter/html/demos.html
The 8086 Compo is a reality! URL is http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/hornet/8086
Make A Computer easy enough for a fool to use, and only fools will use it!
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:14:17 -0500
To: dmw@gate.net
From: omasse@CAM.ORG (Parallax)
Subject: Freedom: Congrats!
Hi Dan,
Just a short note to congratulate you with Freedom. I just got the CD
yesterday after being anxious for two weeks and was really impressed about
its overall quality. It's with ambitious projects like this one that the
demo scene can promote itself to the 'outer world'. Many, many friends want
to take a peek at it (it seems I ordered the only two CDs available within
100 miles) and I expect to have more than positive comments on its contents.
The amount of work you've invested in this CD must be tremendous. I wish to
thank you in my name and the name of all my friends who will really enjoy
this wonderful piece of art!
Later,
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SSSSSSS recent releases at ftp.cam.org /users/omasse/surrounders
S SS Call now The Surrounders' WHQ. (819)565-5343 up to 28.8K
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>>> Note: My address will change on Nov 15th for para@interlinx.qc.ca <<<
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 22:27:17 CST
To: dmw@gate.net
From: Terry Klewicki
Subject: Freedom CD
I first have to say that this is the most kickass CD I've ever had in my
hands. I must congratulate you and the others that worked hard to produce
it. I have a couple questions. Do you have any Escape CD's left lying
around anywhere? I remember it being mentioned awhile ago but never looked
into it farther... How I kick myself now... My other question is, how many
Freedom CD's do you have left? I have about 10 friends who would love to
get a copy. Please let me know ASAP so I can gather the $$$ and get it out.
I was also surprised by the turnaround time. Nine days including shipping
back and forth from Wisconsin to Florida!! It takes 5 days for mail to go
>from my parents who live in upper WI to down here - all within the same
state! Thanks for the answers and the great Freedom CD which will always
remain in my CD changer! :)
Terry
terryk@inc.net
-- I'll keep my fingers crossed on the Escape CD still being available! :)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:15:09 -0500
To: dmw@inca.gate.net
From: jmirag@fxbbs.com (Joe Miragliuolo)
Dan,
This is Joe Miragliuolo (you know, the crux... grinner and i drew a
sticker for ya...) and I just have to say that FREEDOM rocks the house!!! I
knew it was going to be good, but I had no clue it was going to be THIS
good!! And the music!! The audio CD is awesome and there must be hundreds of
hours of it on the data CD!! I've had it for 2 or 3 weeks now and I'm still
going through everything. I would have written this sooner, but school has
been bogging me down with work...
---joe miragliuolo
p.s.-- if you EVER decide to do another one (i know you said you wouldn't,
but you still might change your mind...) talk to chris or i.....
p.p.s.-- did i mention that FREEDOM is awesome?!?!?!?!?!
Subject: Re: recording...
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 22:13:41 MST
From: "Clement Poon"
Hey Dan! That CD came in the mail, quite fast I might add. I
just got it today, and so far, I am VERY impressed! I am
listening to the CD portion right now. Very nice indeed. I
really liked what you have done with Leviathan's song. Wow.
Heh. Exept I think there was too much flanging in Necros' song.
But anyway, give yourself a pat on the back (See, you didn't need
me!). Anyway, an unfortunate thing happened. I guess my jewel
case hinge broke off in the shipping process.. But that is ok!
=) Thanks for the 2 stickers too. And I tried to fit that
Freedom Inside on my computer case, but it is a little too
big.. I might just cut it a little smaller and slap it on!
Gonna check out the Data portion after this.. Oh yeah, Markell's
song seems to be recorded too loud (gain too high?). And also
like how you added sooooooooo much bass to the songs.. Heh.
That was good. Later!
clem..
From: johannes.tiusanen@under.nullnet.fi (Johannes Tiusanen)
Subject: hiya
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:41:48 EET
To: dmw@gate.net
> Cybelius....
Is me.
> I shipped your CDs...you and Hoplite should be getting something late
> this week if the postal service is doing well.
Yes I got them a few days ago.
> Let me know what you think...even if it is bad...
I've never liked synthetisizermusic nor techno, and I'm not starting
today.
It's not that great. But heck, some people _do_ like it, so I'm sure
it's
a good CD.
I never got the point, but was the case so that numbers 1-15 were the
compotunes and 16-20 extra tunes you had asked for, like you did me? If
this was the case, you should have either asked my permission for
cutting
the song - which I hadn't gave you, but maybe had sent you some shorter
tune which I have a lot of - or simply dropped it off the CD.
I gave you permission to put the song on the CD as it was, not the way
you did. Well sure, I know my music is all PD, and I'm not in the
business
for fame or money (would I spend approx. 20 hrs making a freeware tune
if
I was?), and I know that one day I'll find out that someone is getting
rich
on my music. But what you did is against good publishing ethiques.
No, I'm not mad at you, I won't start rumors about you, that all in
the
scene is shit. Folks should start concentrating on doing, not on
talking.
But I am disappointed at you. Sorry.
From: mcraig@cs.rochester.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:50:30 -0500
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: For sale or Trade?
DWM> Hey...did you get the CD yet?
This is the shit, Dan... This is a fucking testiment to the Demo scene.
No shit. Even to the artwork on the cover, this is a high quality production.
VERY professional. I love the way you put the Audio CD together. I thought
that the format of the demo disk was very good as well, like browsing at
hornet. This thing KICKS ASS. Thank you.
Now if I only had a GUS... Oh well.
Know where I can get a used copy of the other Demo CD collection...
ol' whatzitzname... ;)
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard)
Subject: Thanks for Freedom
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 10:16:38 MEZ
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.1.76]
Hi Dan
Thanks a lot for the free Freedom CD. It's very impressive! The art is way
better than that of Escape (the front cover at least, I'm not sure about
the inlet and back ;) ) and the sound quality (of the audio CD) is too!
There are some distortions in a few of the songs, but that is probably due
to the song samples. At least that's what I assume from my experience with
the 'music scene'.
I haven't checked into the ROM part yet, heh heh, because I don't have a
CD-ROM yet. But I will be getting one mucho pronto.
ok, cya
jester
--
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To obtain the FAQ for alt.binaries.sounds.mods (in order of preference) :
- finger jester@rbhp21.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
- WWW http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~behrensm/absm-faq/index.html
- email jester@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:49:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Wallace
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: FREEDOM! :)
Welp, I just got the CD today, and I must say its great! The audio CD is
a *little* bassy/flangy but has good songs.. Thanks for sending it so
quickly :)
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Brian Wallace \___/ of Musician / Founder
P u r e R e s i s t a n c e
-( Said as Draygan )-
From: Atro Kajaste
Subject: Re: Freedom ordering...
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:19:40 +0200 (EET)
>Your package goes out tomorrow...hopefully you will see it by the end
>of next week...if not let me know.
Hi Dan...
Thanks for the CDs! I got them a week ago, last Tuesday. Everything
went almost perfectly... except that even though you you did mark
that package as a gift, the Finnish Customs STILL got in the way!!
That's no fault of yours, of course. I guess that they'll interfere
with ANYTHING that has a reported value of more than $40 or something...
Well, luckily I could convince the customs officer that I...[edited]
Anyway, I've now been listening to the audio CD almost the whole week.
And I must say that it's just _excellent_!! Now there's something that
probably couldn't be identified as mod music if it was played on
radio, for example. While waiting for Freedom, I didn't download but
a couple of tunes from MC3... and now upon hearing more of them, I'll
have to say that it was a quality contest indeed. Those tracks that
got on the CD were such a diverse bunch that I'd have had BIG
difficulties in rating them against each other if I'd been a judge
for MC3... If I wanted to make one complaint, it might be about
those last 2 tunes that had also vocals in them. They still didn't
feel like they had their recording levels just exactly correctly
set up... for example, Night of Dreams still feels like somewhat
lacking in treble... but of course, this might not be your fault
at all, perhaps you were just given the master for those songs and
you just copied it to the final CD master?
All in all, big thanks for you and Hornet for making the Freedom
CD reality. It's just as great as you've been advertizing all along... :)
I feel that this is something that the demoscene might need even more...
CD-ROMs produced at cost, for the scene... (all of us don't have spare
1-gig hard disks lying around, waiting to be filled with demos... :)
The party CDs might have their place too, but perhaps more like an
alternative... Anyway, thanks!
Sir Adrian of -Elastik- (Atro Kajaste)
Internet: kajaste@proffa.cc.tut.fi Snailmail: Risuharjunkatu 9
IRC: SirAdrian FIN-33300 Tampere
Phone: +358-31-3445716 FINLAND
From: LUIS CRESPO MEJIA
Subject: Re: Freedom CD
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:06:36 +0000 (WET)
> Okay luis...thanks for informing me there is no need for a reservation....
You're welcome ;-).
> Hope you like the CD...
Well if you want to hear my opinion, it has surprised me for some good things
but it also has some bad things.
For example, I didn't know about de code directory, it's a useful one, and
I have found some really interesting files, like the 486 timing or the
386 book.
But I thought that the CD would free me of having the HD full of demos,
because it would be an extensive recopilation of all the demos until now,
at least the ones presented to the most demo contests. But it's not that
way. The ASM95 subdirectory is really poor, or for example there isn't any
of the intros of the CYBOMAN trilogy. I know it's not all your fault,
because of the commercialization of the demo contests, but anyway, the
demos directory is indeed quite poor.
But it's a good CD on its overall 8-).
Luis.
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:45:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: Ho Wai Hoe
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Re: FREEDOM CD--another update w/ INFO
On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 dmw@gate.net wrote:
Frankly...here are my comments after a brief listen to MC3...
Yeah...i know, it's 8 bits music quality...but but...i think it could
have been much better...kind of a letdown slightly...Some of the modules
samples were good but more than 50% of them were nearly unlistenable... :(
BTW, who did the last 2 songs...? Got some comments for them...
Again, could have been much better... :(
Premilinary score? 3.5 out of 10... :(
Score for the MC3 that is...btw, is John? still around? (can't remember his
full name but the guy who did the MC3 to DAT) Mailed to him twice but
only got one of his reply and it was abroud a month already...since then,
still no reply... :(
Data? That's the reason why i wanted Freedom for! :)
Sorry if it has been quite some bad comments...
Hmm...maybe i can help out a bit in MC4 next year when i'm back in Malaysia?
The audio bit that is...
Hear from you soon? :)
Cheers! :)
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Ho Wai Hoe
E-mail : w.h.ho@herts.ac.uk
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:59:47 +0800
To: dmw@gate.net
From: sryap@singnet.com.sg (Yap Sieh Roy)
Subject: freedom cd, excellent !
hi dude !
i just got my copy of the Freedom CD yesterday, excellent product dude ...
u guys must have spend lots of time on the project, give yourselves a nice
big pat on the back for the great work !
Cheers !
Yap Sieh Roy (FxKidd)
(Organiser - The Scene 1995,1996)
sryap@singnet.com.sg
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:20 +0300
From: Nir Soffer
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: THAAAAAANNNK YOOOOOOUUUU! :))))))
Mucho mucho gracias, really, the CD is here and it utterly kix ass. I
think that I have to repay you, but in something else in money. How about
a papyrus? I hear these are pretty expensive and rare out there. I think
I might be able to scratch one up ,they are very cheap around here . (Is
that spelled Papyrus or Papirus now that I think about it? :), oh well,
never mind. ) . Anyway, the CD's , both the Audio and the Data are REALLY
great. The Audio CD is in very high quality ni my 10 year old CD player,
and the data CD has everything I ever wanted and more . Thank you, very
much. ;).
Can't thank you enough,
Nir.
--
ScorpioS. Movement '95 organizement. Mail :
scorpios@mail.snunit.k12.il -=Movement '95. Go where the flood leads.=-
scorpios@leyada.jlm.k12.il -=December 24th-25th 1995. 24h of pure fun=-
"Life is shit and then you die, so fuck the system, let's get high!"
-Unknown wiseman
Subject: Re: FREEDOM CD...Sold OUT?...ALMOST
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:31:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Trixter / Hornet"
> You should re-press about 200 more for NAID--they'll sell like
> hotcakes!
>
> There is enough art left (assumption) for about 200 more so it is
> possible to repress--but I will not. HOWEVER, if you want to drop
> about $1500 ($5 cd plus/jewel case plus upfront cost) you can
> press and sell the 200 CDs at NAID.
I see your point. :-)
However, the NAID organizers might be willing to drop the cash to do so.
Have you emailed them (Naid@Autoroute.net) to discuss the possibility?
BTW: I am thouroughly pleased with Freedom. The audio is nice to
have around, and the data CDROM is just priceless. Your articles
(demobook stuff) is easily worth the cost of the CDROM. They were
quite enjoyable, even if you tend to ramble. (Joke!)
--
Jim Leonard (Trixter / Hornet) Email: trixter@mcs.com
*THE* PC Demo WWW page: http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/hornet/html/demos.html
The 8086 Compo is a reality! URL is http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/hornet/8086
Make A Computer easy enough for a fool to use, and only fools will use it!
From: Arno Krueger
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:47:21 +0100
Apparently-To: dmw@gate.net
Hi Dan!
I finally got your package of FREEDOM-CD's and I really must say it is one
of the best CD's I ever got. Especially the music-directory with its massive
collection of module- and sample-files made an outstanding standard.
Many thanx for this superb and professionaly-made CD!!!!!!
Arno
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 21:07:54 -0700 (MST)
From: Hombre Loco
To: dmw@gate.net
Subject: Freedom
Hey, I got my Freedom CD, and it's great!
It pretty much kills Escape in every aspect, from the
sound quality, cover art, cd art, and songs. Thanks
for it man, even though the only song I really enjoy
on it is the song by Nemesis... never heard that
song in the past... Great work, for sure.
Congratulations on some fine work. Is there going
to be a third CD? Is there even going to be an MC4?
If there are, then I can't wait... Later!!!
Dyoll
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:44:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Liam the lemming (Surprise!Productions/Bass Productions/moz[IC]art)"
Subject: Re: Freedom...
To: dmw@gate.net
>Hey, did you get the CD?
It arrived the DAY AFTER you said it'd take weeks to get here. =)
The audio -is- a bit weak, but the data CD rules! I finaly tracked down a
Kefrens mod I've been hunting for two years - the first mod I ever heard! =)
Thanks again, Dan! :)
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_--~~~_Liam the lemming,_~~~--_
S!P/Bass Productions/moz[IC]art
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From: jim@kd3bj.ampr.org (Jim Paris)
Subject: Re: freedom cd and bbs
To: dmw@gate.net
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:04:02 -0500 (EST)
(by the way, out of only a week or two running, there's already people
who _only_ call to download from that cd... it's a great
people-attractor.. heheh)
-blackbob [jim@kd3bj.ampr.org]
-neurosis bbs [215-230-7723, mail for nup]
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:39:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Liam the lemming (Surprise!Productions/Bass Productions/moz[IC]art)"
Subject: Re: Freedom...
To: dmw@gate.net
> The audio -is- a bit weak, but the data CD rules! I finaly tracked down a
>Not good to hear...but then again, "to each his/her own."
Yeah, I know you put loads of work into it, I feel a little guilty for not
absolutely adoring it... :]
>There have been a few people not liking the music disc but I get the
>impression it is more for the music side of things then a quality issue.
>MC3 did determine most of the songs on the CD so....not much I could do
>in that area.
I'm afraid for me it -was- a quality issue. Example: Nemesis' song had no
panning, that was carried straight over to the CD. Bass was rather, uh,
strong. :} The flanging throughout the whole of Second Thoughts and The
Crossing sounded like an odd choice... other than that though... fine.
I really wish I could be there for the making of the MC4 audio CD, I have
some ideas... like mixing each piece of the winning songs separately. The
percussion mixed differently to the bass mixed differently to the lead mixed
differently to the chords mixed differently to... etc. You get the idea? Of
course, I imagine you'd have far too much to do to go into that sort of
complexity, which is why I wish I could be there... I'd be willing to do all
the mixing myself. *sigh*
Ah well... c'est la vie. :I
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_--~~~_Liam the lemming,_~~~--_
S!P/Bass Productions/moz[IC]art
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